Monday, March 07, 2005

Glenn Reynolds (InstaPundit) Soils Self, Conservative Bloggers Everywhere With Intentional Misrepresentation of Credentials of Blogger Garrett Graff

By ADVOCATE STAFF

1, 2, 3, 4, we declare a blog war.

We did it once, now we're doing it again.

Not because we enjoy it, but because, at base, we at The Advocate have more integrity than the big-time bloggers at Power Line and InstaPundit, we're smarter than they are, and, as history and present circumstance have shown, we, unlike they, routinely get it right.

Can anyone explain why more than 100,000 Americans visit InstaPundit.com every day?

To be gleefully and unapologetically misinformed by a right-wing hack with only a casual acquaintance with the truth?

Surely that's the reason millions listen to Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, and Sean Hannity every day. But can it truly be the case that so many American conservatives are afraid of being leveled with by their political icons that they demand no accountability from these favored pundits? Is it that they fear a real, substantive debate on the issues (which they would undoubtedly lose) or is it simply that they get a rank, unnatural, and unsavory enjoyment from wallowing in their own ignorance? Or are they simply the zeroes of the world, with not a whiff of genuine intellectual curiosity beyond the contents of their own nose-clogs?

Witness this intentional misrepresentation on the part of Glenn Reynolds ("InstaPundit"), who, in calling Garrett M. Graff of Media Bistro "another Jeff Gannon," describes Graff's biography as follows (see here for Reynolds' assertion that this is "the bio" for Graff):

Garrett Graff is vice president of communications at EchoDitto, Inc., a Washington, D.C.-based technology consulting firm. A Vermont native, he served formerly as deputy national press secretary on Howard Dean's presidential campaign and, beginning in 1997, was then-Governor Dean's first webmaster.

Now read The Advocate's biography, taken from The New York Times, Editor & Publisher, and The Raw Story:

A 2002 graduate of Harvard University, where he was Executive Editor of The Harvard Crimson. Previously cleared by the Secret Service for access to the West Wing of the White House as well as the Oval Office itself. Father was a Correspondent for The Associated Press, mother wrote for The New York Herald-Tribune. Former intern for ABC News and The Atlantic Monthly. Worked on the presidential campaign of former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Now a blogger who meets all three of the criteria for admission to the White House press room, as articulated by White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan. To wit, his blog publishes regularly, is independent and non-partisan, and is supported by subscribers and/or advertising.

See the problem? If someone lied to you like this at work, how angry would you be? Would you trust them again? Why should InstaPundit's voluminous readership be any less pissed at Reynolds' sloppy "journalism" than they are at people they do know who lie to them on matters of importance? Why give greater leeway to a total stranger than you would to a friend or a workplace colleague or an acquaintance?

Reynolds and the rest of the conservative blogging cabal have also argued that there is no distinction between Helen Thomas (Chief Washington Correspondent for UPI for more than four decades) and Jeff Gannon. As a reminder, here's Gannon's bona fides:

Gay hooker. Uses Alias. Denied credentials by U.S. Senate and U.S. House. Had worked for a G.O.P. activist site for six days at the time of his application for a White House press pass. Received his journalism "degree" during a two-day "course" which set him back $50. Has a website on which he talks about guns. Fondly. Does not claim to be unbiased or non-partisan. Had never done any professional writing at the time of his application for a White House press pass.

This is why The Nashua Advocate has laid the so-called Death of Distinction squarely at the feet of neo-conservatives like Reynolds.

So, is it because American conservatives have been so routinely lied to and betrayed by their chosen champion, President Bush, that, like long-time sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, they cannot help but cling doggedly to their abusers?

But back to the question at hand: is InstaPundit puerile, an imbecile, lazy, or merely an asswipe?

Anyone?

[UPDATE: Reynolds has responded to The Advocate on his blog, terming the article you’ve just read an "explosion of bile." In fact, Reynolds' retort does less to prove the bias or surfeit of passion of Advocate staff, and more to explain, once and for all, why most conservative bloggers disallow comments on their blog entries. Consider, if you will, the Reynolds apologia, which begins with a self-justifying technique common to the schoolyards of America ("I was only kidding"), and contains not one, not two, but five misrepresentations of The Nashua Advocate article you just read (in one paragraph of InstaPundit text, no less). Don't believe us? Just re-read the article above.

First, we didn’t accuse Reynolds of "faking" the Graff bio.


We accused him of misrepresenting it via omissions, which he did. Willfully, as he had access to both Graff's Media Bistro profile as well as the Monday morning story in The New York Times which laid out Graff's bona fides in detail.

Which brings us to misrepresentation number two, Reynolds' assertion that Graff's own bio "emphasizes his political and PR skills." It doesn't, which is precisely why Reynolds selectively quoted it. Indeed, the full biography for Mr. Graff, both in itself and as supplemented by several news stories no more accessible to The Advocate than "InstaPundit.com," lays out the man's professional credentials in stark yet comprehensive detail. For example, from Media Bistro: "In college, [Graff] was a news writer and executive editor at the Harvard Crimson, Harvard University's daily newspaper, where he wrote more news articles than any other writer in half a century, and held internships at the ABC News Political Unit and at The Atlantic Monthly. He is also a frequent speaker on blogging and the intersection of politics and technology." The Advocate has added to this bio widely-available information from Editor & Publisher and The New York Times (we assume Mr. Reynolds does read other material besides his own from time to time).

Third, we didn't accuse Reynolds of calling Graff a "male prostitute," as he so ungenerously implies we did (which plays nicely into his fifth misrepresentation, below).


Fourth, he says he doesn't consider Graff a "dittohead," but his original blog entry stated unambiguously, even exuberantly, "[Graff's] even a 'dittohead'!" While the term "Dittohead" (capital "D") commonly refers to a brain-jacked devotee of Rush Limbaugh, in this instance Reynolds was manifestly implying that Graff was some sort of Howard Dean "dittohead," having formerly worked for the 2004 Dean presidential campaign. Yet now it seems that using the dual-use term "dittohead" has allowed Reynolds to steal a page from the Clinton playbook--(see "plausible deniability")--and return to his gratingly disingenuous claim that calling Garrett M. Graff "another Jeff Gannon" was all in good fun.

Fifth, there is absolutely nothing in The Advocate article above which proves, or posits, or suggests, or implies, or even vaguely alludes to the notion that, as Reynolds would have it, "the gay angle really was the big angle on Gannon [for the Left]."


No, Glenn, those are your Talking Points talking. Can't you tell the difference anymore?

Here at The Advocate we talk with our tongues, so please (speaking of conservative misrepresentations) read our lips on this one: the "gay hooker angle" made up two words out of our eighty-three-word biography of Gannon.

Again: 2 of 83.

Really makes it look like our "big angle," doesn't it?

Good Lord, are these guys debating with both brain cells tied behind their back or what? We demand a fair fight!].


70 comments:

c kennedy said...

Puerile? Yep. Due, in part to basic imbecility. Lazy? Nah. Keeps pretty busy cutting and pasting. Absolutely an asswipe.

Steve Talbert said...

>>>Can anyone explain why more than 100,000 Americans visit InstaPundit.com every day?<<

Can anyone explain reelecting Bush-Cheney?

Steve Talbert said...

Seriously, though,,, I think it's called cognitive dissonance.

People ignore or label a lie anything that doesn't support their world view. Otherwise they have to change their world view, and that would trigger a reevaluation of everything they believe. They can't handle that task.

It's the same reason that the lower the education level, the more fundamentalist religious you were the more likely you were to have voted for Bush-Cheney. That's why Nuance was so hard to explain to those people, they couldn't spell it or pronounce it.

Anonymous said...

I don't go there. I don't go to Drudge anymore either. Remember the concept of boycotting?

Just don't go. Come here instead.

Anonymous said...

Just a suggestion -
Editing the post so it doesn't descend into name-calling (especially at the end) would make it more powerful.

TallDave said...

LOL It's Graff's own bio from his blog. Blame Graff, not Glenn Reynolds, for the content thereof.

Looks to me like one partisan PR hack ought to be as good as another. And do we really know if Graff was a gay prostitute or not? Has anyone investigated him? Maybe he smoked a joint in college; could be a security risk! Get those investigators on him pronto!

TallDave said...

Actually Steve, only postgrads and high-school dropouts went for Kerry. (As a postgrad myself, I can explain latter: leftist academic indoctrination, not better education). High school grads and college grads went for Bush.

Apparently you blocked those facts out. Maybe they didn't fit your worldview. Couldn't handle that re-evaluation task, eh?

On your other point.. so religious people tend to go for Bush while felons go Dem. Some would argue that has something to do with morality.

TallDave said...

For the record...

http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=95

They juggled the categories togeher a bit differently, but the overall trend is clearly exactly the opposite of what Steve said: more education = more Republican.

I'm fascinated to see whether Steve will "ignore or label a lie" this fact that doesn't support his worldview.

Anonymous said...

Dear TallDave --
I guess your friend Gannon/Guckert (what do you call him?) can't complain that he's the only one whose bedroom activities are being policed now that the CEO of Boeing has been fired.

Or does Jeff/James fancy himself as important as a Captain of Industry?

You are a silly man.

TallDave said...

LOL yeah thanks for making our point anon: if Gannon's not important, how do you justify the supposed need to investigate his private life before giving him a WH pass? If Gannon is important enough to be investigated, then so is every other WH reporter, so I guess we have to investigate them all. How can we know how many other gay prostitutes there are in the WH press room unless we investigate everyone?

Anonymous said...

Thank you in return for making MY point! Nobody investigated Gannon before giving him a WH pass, apparently.

Consider this, Tallguy: Gannon made himself a public figure via Talon News, but he made himself a pubic figure all by himself.

Anonymous said...

Thank you in return for making MY point! Nobody investigated Gannon before giving him a WH pass, apparently.

Consider this, Tallguy: Gannon made himself a public figure via Talon News, but he made himself a pubic figure all by himself.

Anonymous said...

Thank you in return for making MY point! Nobody investigated Gannon before giving him a WH pass, apparently.

Consider this, Tallguy: Gannon made himself a public figure via Talon News, but he made himself a pubic figure all by himself.

Anonymous said...

Thank you in return for making MY point! Nobody investigated Gannon before giving him a WH pass, apparently.

Consider this, Tallguy: Gannon made himself a public figure via Talon News, but he made himself a pubic figure all by himself.

Anonymous said...

Thank you in return for making MY point! Nobody investigated Gannon before giving him a WH pass, apparently.

Consider this, Tallguy: Gannon made himself a public figure via Talon News, but he made himself a pubic figure all by himself.

darwin said...

"
Not because we enjoy it, but because, at base, we at The Advocate have more integrity than the big-time bloggers at Power Line and InstaPundit, we're smarter than they are, and, as history and present circumstance have shown, we, unlike they, routinely get it right.
"

Suggestion for other thing to get right : comma use. 9 commas in one sentence. Lordy.

=darwin

News Editor said...

Darwin,

Re-read your Strunk & White (assuming you've heard of it).

We have a well-worn copy at the offices of The Advocate.

InstaPundit Folks,

Welcome.

Please note that this site is propaganda-free.

If at any point you find yourself disquieted by the absence of Republican "Talking Points" on this site, feel free to return to InstaPundit.com, or else tune in to any radio show in which Hannity, Ingraham, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Boortz, or Savage are hosting. [Please also note the seven commas in this sentence].

We do not wish to scare you from your complacency.

The world is already a pretty scary place and, to be honest, we find your rabbit-like intellectual skittishness simply adorable.

Please don't change.

The News Editor

Anonymous said...

Sorry everyone for my stuck "post" key.

TallDave said...

LOL anon, you seemed to have missed my point completely, because you're again reinforcing it: Yes, the WH did not investigate Gannon. If Gannon's not important, how do you justify the supposed need to investigate his private life before giving him a WH pass?

As for pubic figures, I think Clinton has the all-time lock on that honor.


NewsEditor:

Thank you for your invitation! IN the same spirit...

Please note this site is full of lefty propaganda.

If at any point you find yourself disquieted by the presence of Republican "Talking Points" in these comments, feel free to return to CNN.com, or else tune in to any non-Fox cable show [Please also note you are one of only seven viewers in their audience].

The world is already a pretty amusing place and, to be honest, we find your moonbattish intellectual self-adulation simply hilarious.

chrisbilal said...

Though untrue, there might be fact in the more education-pro Bush argument. Look at it this way.

More education, more money, more greedy, more selfish, more self serving= Vote for Bush.

Now the statement is correct

This is not a scientific poll.The Young Liberals

Anonymous said...

Not sure a website that doesn't advertise or broadcast can be considered a propagandist. Now Talon News and GOPUSA, on the other hand, both of which not only advertised themselves but also sought to spread nastiness in other venues, were/are indeed propagandists.

You are a silly, silly man.

TallDave said...

Not sure a website that doesn't advertise or broadcast can be considered a propagandist.ROTFLMAO!!! And you said I was silly.

Chris,

Or you might say "hard work and successful = Republican, loser = Democrat." Not any more scientific than yours.

TallDave said...

Looks like Steve chose ignore.

Although, I suppose he could be off re-evaluating his worldview...

Anonymous said...

"Gay Hooker"Nope. I must agree with you. The Jeff Gannon angle was never about his sexual orientation. Yes, it's the first thing the Advocate staff mention, but, no, it NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Wolf Blitzer, alias, White House correspondant for CNN for several years. Is he a gay? Find his cock shots.

I'm counting the milliseconds. GO!

Anonymous said...

TallDave:

Steve Talbert wrote: "It's the same reason that the lower the education level, the more fundamentalist religious you were the more likely you were to have voted for Bush-Cheney."

You said "Actually Steve, only postgrads and high-school dropouts went for Kerry." and then pointed to some really interesting survey results at Pew Research.

Problem is, those interesting numbers are about *party identification*, not who you voted for in 2004.

And while it does show a heavy skew toward Democrats in those who didn't finish high school (41-20), the other spreads are all within a couple of points (must be within the margin of error) and for every group except those who didn't finish high school, the number of those who DON'T identify with a party (35-38%) is larger than those who DO identify with *either* party.

Interesting results, but they don't support your contention or refute Steve's...in any way whatsoever.

dashie said...

Tallguy:
"...I guess we have to investigate them all.Are you trying to say that, at the moment, when a genuine reporter applies for a pass at the moment - a hard pass, in this case - the Secret Service does no investigating? At all? You're not making any sense, man. Explain yourself.

TallDave said...

Anon: Voting strongly correlates to party identification, and the first stat for HS dropouts alone proves Steve's assertion wrong.

Dashie: Presumably they do the usual FBI and criminal background checks, which presumably Gannon passed. I don't think the Secret Service surfs around looking for gay porn sites (not for official reasons, anyway). So again, we hve no way of knowing how many other WH correspondents are gay escorts until they are all investigated.

Dashie said...

Presumably they do the usual FBI and criminal background checks, which presumably Gannon passed.I thought you were only prepared to deal with facts? What do you know about the background checks?

Listen, he - Mr Guckert - has said all he had to do was turn up at the gate, flash his Drivers Licence, and sail on in.

Do you believe that?

TallDave said...

Dashie: Well, I'm not an expert on SS procedure, but it was your question. I gave it my best layman's common-sense try. If you want to know for sure, find out yourself rather than asking me then turning around and saying I can't answer it.

So what proof do you have Gannon is lying? None. The FBI does background checks without notifying people they're being checked, you know.

You're going to have to face the fact Gannon was treated just like everyone else. All you've done is take a totally unknown conservative reporter with a sketchy past and make him famous (and probably rich when he sells his book).

Kudos!

Anonymous said...

TallDave, you write: "Voting strongly correlates to party identification, and the first stat for HS dropouts alone proves Steve's assertion wrong."

1. Where is your evidence that voting for President strongly correlates to party identification? All the talk 20 years ago about Reagan Democrats, and this year about getting black religious conservatives to abandon their historical association with Democrats to vote for Bush over the same sex marriage issue suggests that people are more willing to vote across partylines for President than for almost any other office.

2. The first stat for high school dropouts does not contradict Steve's point. Again, the poll is about party affiliation rather than who you voted for this election. While 41% of this group identify with Democrats and 20% with Republicans, a whopping 39% identify with neither party. Even if we assume a strong party correlation in the 41% and 20@, we don't know how that 39% voted. Were they all religious fundamentalists who disdain both parties but cast votes for Bush-Cheney, making the split something like 59%-41% for Bush. Could be. We don't know. These survey results don't tell us.

So Steve's assertion stands unassailed.

--Steve Maxey
(same anon as before on this issue--just don't have time to create a blogger account right now)

News Editor said...

Dave (and Assorted InstaPundit-Type Persons),

You're struggling.

Let us help you.

Forget, for the moment, that the Bush Administration let a gay prostitute into the White House and that prostitution is a criminal act. You seem fixated on the penis-on-anus angle here, as most conservative bloggers who've addressed Gannongate thus far have so fixated themselves. As to why conservatives have so violently fixated themselves on the anus angle while simultaneously accusing progressive bloggers and news outlets of doing the same, we do not know--though we suspect that these radical conservative bloggers (and, on this thread, you InstaPundit-type commentators) are simply drawing a page from the Bush Administration propaganda playbook: accuse your opponent of whatever it is you yourself are doing, the better to defuse the likelihood you yourself will be accused of doing it.

Alright then.

Forgotten yet that the White House planted a gay hooker in the Washington press corps? Good.

Now explain to us, please, how either the F.B.I. or the U.S. Secret Service could credential a man who a) uses an alias; b) had already been rejected for a press pass by both Houses of Congress, which under the Clinton White House credentialing policy would automatically have disqualified him for White House access; c) had no professional journalism experience at the time of his application for White House access; d) did not work for any news organization at the time of his application for White House access; e) had no formal training in journalism beyond a $50 "certificate" from a non-accredited school, which gold-star-on-mummy's-refrigerator took him all of 48 hours to acquire; f) had only been working for his current employer, a G.O.P. activist website, for six days at the time of his application for White House access.

Can you please tell us which member of the White House press corps, going back, say, 200 years, has had the same damned suspicious bona fides as Gannon and been allowed within ten feet of the President in the White House press room?

Thanks!

-- The News Editor

TallDave said...

Also, it was NOT a hard pass but a daily pass, which is much easier to get.

TallDave said...

Newsguy:

Your crazy conspiracy theories are foundering on the rocks of truth. Let me pull you up to the dry shore of sanity.

LOL You guys are the ones focusing on the "gay hooker" angle, because that's the only story you can find here (this is YOUR story after all; how many lefty analyses have failed to mention that angle? thank you). I see all your alleged sensitivity and tolerance goes right out the window when it's a conservative (seems to work that way for blacks, too; just ask the NAACP). And we still don't know how many hookers (gay or straight) Clinton let in the WH, except for the ones his staff have admitted were servicing them.

Forgotten that you're a hypocritical liar? OK.

a) Wolf Blitzer. Not his real name.

b) So was Maureen Dowd and legions of other reporters

c) what makes a "professional journalist?" LOL Does Wolf Blitzer still qualify? How about Dan Rather?

The rest of your points seem to have to do with what makes a journalist. Guess what? Any idiot with a notepad or a computer is a journalist. Yes, even you.

The answer to your question is: Ralph Nader associate Russell Mokhiber.

I hope this has been helpful!

TallDave said...

Oh FYI: In contrast to Gannon, who went through a journalism training program at the Leadership Institute, Mokhiber has never taken a journalism class.

News Editor said...

Also, Dave, so-called "daily passes" are exclusively intended for out-of-town reporters who otherwise could not access the White House press room during visits (notice we say "visits") to Washington. So how did Guckert get a daily pass every single day for more than two years?

Can you please tell us which member of the White House press corps, going back, say, 200 years, has received a daily pass for over eight hundred consecutive days?

Thanks!

-- TNE

[Note to TNA readers: I am engaging this crazy person to illustrate to you how little thought the Right has put into their Gannongate Talking Points, which reflect neither the themes nor the substance of the scandal. When we say the Right is responsible for "The Death of Distinction," we refer to comments like this, from this crazy person ("TallDave") here: "Any idiot with a notepad or a computer is a journalist"].

TallDave said...

Again: The answer to your question is: Ralph Nader associate Russell Mokhiber.

I hope this has been helpful!


(Note to sane readers: I am engaging this crazy person in hopes I can persuade him to seek psychiatric help, or at least start watching Fox News.)

TallDave said...

Uh oh, no response...

Can someone check the ledge? This looks like another of those "worldview re-evaluation" moments.

Anonymous said...

Dear News editors -- TallDave is clearly lacking oxygen. Ignore him -- your loyal fans are wise to this idiot. Spend time on what you do; we'll blithely ignore him. I'll bet nobody checks in on his blog twenty times a day like we all do on this site, waiting to see if you've posted something new!

TallDave said...

LOL I see at least one person has chosen the "ignore" option when confronted with a challenge to his worldview.

Yes please blithely ignore me, and also the irony of doing so.

Anonymous said...

Wow. It's nice to know that no matter how large and advanced the internet gets, there's always a healthy contingent of folks ready to flame at the drop of a hat.

Anyhoo. Just FYI, I'm pretty sure that calling someone a "dittohead" when they work for a company called EchoDitto is, you know, a joke. Pun. Play on words. Not, say, a horrific & sinister attempt to smear upright defenders of democracy or whatever. It's just a stupid joke. Jesus.

As for the rest - meh. Don't care. See, you're way up at 11 or so. To take you seriously, we're gonna need you at about a..mmm...6. Or 7, if you've got pictures. Beyond that, well, I guess we just can't handle the truth, blah blah blah, etc. Hope that makes you feel better after the 15 minutes are up.

Pat said...

Love it! Gay hooker made up only two words of your proposed bio of Gannon; somehow you neglected to mention it made up the first two words.

Anonymous said...

TallDave:

The actual exit poll numbers (available at CNN) show that Bush and Kerry were in a statistical heat in the tiny number (4%) of voters who didn't finish high school, Bush led by 5-6% for high school and college grads, and Kerry led by 11% for those with some post-graduate education. This neither devastates nor supports Steve T's previous assertion.

What clearly does support his assertion is that 78% of Evangelicals went for Bush and that 90% of those for whom the candidates religious faith was most important went for Bush.

Steve T. may have to reassess his assumption that evangelical=less educated, but he's spot on the cognitive dissonance part. Evagelicals would have to admit to themselves that the man they championed four years earlier has been cynically using them for his own political gain. That would require questioning too many core beliefs, so instead it's "in for a dime, in for a dollar" and they vote for him again.

--Steve Maxey

News Editor said...

Dave,

Lest this devolve into a discussion of whether the first two words in an eighty-three word sentence are always the most important, and/or whether or not The Advocate is enjoying a mere fifteen minutes of fame or (instead) 110,000+ visitors in the last three weeks, we'll make this our last reply to you and others from your neo-con boot camp.

Mokhiber has been publishing a weekly newsletter specializing in corporate issues for two decades.

He is the author of several books and literally hundreds of articles on the subject of corporate crime. He was already a recognized member of the Washington media scene back when Gannon was still being hazed at West Chester U.

Mokhiber has previously said (on 1/24/03) of his White House experience (contrast this to Gannon's), "They keep you at the gate. They don't let you in. They don't give you a press pass. If they let you in they let you in late. If you get in they don't call on you. If they call on you, they don't answer the question."

Mokhiber gets called on once a month or less.

Typically, McClellan refuses to answer his questions. Whether Mokhiber's two decades in the Washington media community have actually benefited him with any real "access" to the White House is a dubious proposition at best. Nevertheless, his credentials and Gannon's cannot be compared; in short, they are not comparable.

-- TNE

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is, referencing another post to you guys on another thread, it is the neo-cons now (and certainly their mindless followers)(if you pardon the redundancy) that need a good dose of Ayn Rand these days. Can't tell wheat from chaff? Great from middling?

This sort (recently revived by the "everybody's opinion is equal, if you agree with me" ethos of Rush Limbaugh) are always part of the fabric of American life. Let them have their Gannons. It will kill them in the end.

Anonymous said...

Hi, my name is Nora from Grand Junction Colorado and I'm surfing for alternative leftie blogs. So, I came over from Instapundit (he is not a rightie, by the way) because this sounded like an interesting blog to check out.

For crying out loud, guys! You're being boring. A whole post on why you're right and he's wrong? About a nobody blogger? No historical or geo=political relevance whatsoever? I come over looking to learn something I didn't know before and I find a pissing match.

To me, the curious surfer, it looks like the righties are simply much better company than the lefties. The righties laugh at each other, they ask questions, they argue among themselves, and they juxtapose fascinating aspects of human history with our modern predicament. You have to laugh at the Corner's recent thread on "holding paper--" a bunch of conservative historical types citing hilarious, ridiculous grudges that people held for centuries. It gives us such perspective, yet the Corner guys are so grounded in this perspective that they don't even realize that's what they're doing!

Now I can't say I know, but I think the the reason Glenn Reynolds calls the Advocate's response "bile" is because of the Advocate's underlying ground-of-being, which is, ANY difference of opinion means WAR and portends the end of (democracy, morality, culture, whatever). This attitude seems very prevelant in the left of late, and it is really becoming tiresome.

It sure looks like the righties (and libertarians like Glenn) are having all the fun.

And if you say it's your blog and if I don't like it I should go away, well, you'd be right.

But thanks for posting and blogging anyway, and putting up with the flak that a blog always seems to bring. It's good for democracy. Best thing that ever happened to it, in fact.

Anonymous said...

Hehe, I can just picture TallDave sitting at the computer, refreshing this page every 30 seconds, saying "they haven't replied yet that means I win" and stroking his tiny cock.
Pathetic. It just shows how truly desperate these wingnuts are becoming over the Jeff Gannon story.

Anonymous said...

What's the matter Dave? You haven't replied in the 6 seconds since I posted my comment. I guess that means I win.

Anonymous said...

Forget the blog war. There's a real war on. And as Mark Benjamin writes so beautifully in Salon today, in an article entitled "The Invisible Wounded," our injured GIs evacuated to the U.S. never arrive in the daytime and Pentagon won't explain why.

The media manipulation of this Administration boggles the mind. They are secretive, evasive, deceptive, derisive, and duplicitously palliative.

Go forth, Nashua Advocate. Alexis DeTocqueville would love you and scorn these anti-American RW bloggers and their WH bosses.

TallDave said...

TNE,

Sorry, but Mokhiber has no journalism classes -- the lack of which you claimed was a big deal for Gannon. And he's an extremely partisan hack -- for the extreme opposite side of the WH that admitted him anyway. He wrote for a small partisan outfit, just like Gannon, and has ties to far left political organizations just like Gannon has to GOPUSA. You lose on the basis of your own arguments.You're just going to have to accept Gannon was treated no differently than anyone else in terms of journalistic credentials. The gay hooker angle is the only angle, and it's a shoddy one because for all we knows there have been dozens of former escorts in the WH press room; we can't know unless we investigate them all.

I don't blame you for running way the debate. You clearly don't have a leg to stand on.

Now you know why Instapundit gets 150,000 hits a day and you don't.

TallDave said...

*running away from

Anonymous said...

So Talldave--I ask merely for curiosity: are you in favor of a free and fair press?

What do you think about Bush's "Town Hall" meetings, which are journalist free, scripted, and now, apparently (this is just breaking), REHEARSED!

Is this how our President should be interfacing with the American people? Does it not make you sick?

TallDave said...

Nora,

I thought I was the only one who noticed the difference.

Ace Of Spades (www.ace.mu.nu) ran a whole month of very funny "OH NO WE LOST JEFF GANNON!! WHAT WILL WE DO??" posts and graphics.

I agree with a lot of progressive positions (higher minimum wage, more science-based funding, better education for kids), but it's hard to embrace the kind of bile you see here, at Daily Kos, and at DU.


Steve Maxey,

No, his assertion is proved dead wrong by the CNN numbers too. Do you see a positive correlation with education level and Dem voting? No. So he's wrong. I don't have to prove a negative correlation, just the lack of a positive one. Both studies support me.

TallDave said...

Anonymous,

How "free and fair" is the press when 90% of them voted Democrat?

TallDave said...

How "free and fair" is it that CBS not only ran but stood behind for weeks crude forgeries libelling the President furnished by a rabid Bush-hater, but never once seriously investigated the claims of 254 Swift Vets (many of whom were self-described Democrats) about John Kerry?

I could go on.

TallDave said...

Oh, and in direct answer to your question: Yes, the President has freedom of speech too. He can organize his press conferences any way he wants, just as the press can report them any way they want.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, talltalesdave, the preznit wsn't libeled, since the facts were true; 90% of the press did not vote Democratic, and your take on freedom of speech is so wrong as to be incomprehensible. If Bush had actually won either election, you might have a point besides the one between your ears, but he didn't, and couldn't. Only by the grace of his corporate backers and owners of the voting machine (Repubs, by the way), could Rove pull off the soft coup that is destroying America currently.

suleimanajic said...

I feel bad to have come so late to the party - this is great stuff! Arrogant chest-thumping from the Advocate, pee-pee references from the commenters, loads of pointless bickering about whether Gannon's homosexuality was really an issue... Wonderful entertainment, topped off by the Advocate's self-righteous indignation over what were obviously bad puns (is there any other kind?) and overall silliness from the Instapundit. How anyone could read his entry and not realize he's kidding around is beyond me, but thank you for making my afternoon.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be some debate about whether there is any correlation between education level and voting preference. 1990 census data (by state) for the fraction of the population with a Bachelor's degree can be grouped by whether the state went for Bush or Gore in the 2000 election. Analysis of variance shows a clear statistically significant correlation. Note that this analysis does not use the bogus state IQ data that are floating around the web, but only hard numbers from the US census web site.

The 30 Bush states had an average of 23.3% with Bachelor's degrees with a standard deviation of 4.3%, while the 21 (including D.C.) Gore states had 27.8% with Bachelor's with a standard deviation of 3.8%. The odds that this difference occurred by chance are more than 1000 to 1. The difference is much smaller when comparing the percent of population with a high school education, with Bush states at 84.8% and Gore states at 86.4%. There are only about 6 to 1 odds that the high school difference is real. These data are admittedly somewhat rough, only comparing education level with Red/Blue status. I believe a more accurate analysis could be made with 2000 census data of education level by county compared to actual voting preference by county. I have a real job however, so this is beyond my capabilities.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be some debate about whether there is any correlation between education level and voting preference. 1990 census data (by state) for the fraction of the population with a Bachelor's degree can be grouped by whether the state went for Bush or Gore in the 2000 election. Analysis of variance shows a clear statistically significant correlation. Note that this analysis does not use the bogus state IQ data that are floating around the web, but only hard numbers from the US census web site.

The 30 Bush states had an average of 23.3% with Bachelor's degrees with a standard deviation of 4.3%, while the 21 (including D.C.) Gore states had 27.8% with Bachelor's with a standard deviation of 3.8%. The odds that this difference occurred by chance are more than 1000 to 1. The difference is much smaller when comparing the percent of population with a high school education, with Bush states at 84.8% and Gore states at 86.4%. There are only about 6 to 1 odds that the high school difference is real. These data are admittedly somewhat rough, only comparing education level with Red/Blue status. I believe a more accurate analysis could be made with 2000 census data of education level by county compared to actual voting preference by county. I have a real job however, so this is beyond my capabilities.

Anonymous said...

Twain said it best when he referenced "lies, damned lies, and statistics." Your retort to Reynold's observations was extremely misleading.

So they were only 2 words out of 83? They were the first two words you used to describe Gannon. It wasn't good enough of an insult for you to refer to Gannon as a hooker. You had to throw in another word that you consider an equal insult: gay. Instapundit caught you on your own bigotry and your response to it is more misleading than a Tom DeLay redistricting plan.

There are those on the left who talk a good game when it comes to tolerance and follow that up with deeds. And then there are those who merely pay lip service to tolerance who, when push comes to shove, expose their bigotry and hatred in order to gain a political point. You are no better than Jesse Helms or the folks on Kerry's staff who hatched the "you know the Vice President's daughter is GAY!" campaign strategy.

Mike said...

I feel bad to have come to the party so very late – this is awesome stuff! Smug wingnuts overly impressed with themselves for parroting fact-challenged talking points, loads of cluelessness and disingenuity by wingnuts about the real issues surrounding Gannon/Guckert… Fantastic entertainment, topped off by Suleimanajic’s content-free, I’m-so-smart-and-you’re-so-stupid stereotypical adolescent whine brought on by someone criticizing (How dare they!) his surrogate brain, Instacracker. How anyone can read his comment and not realize that he only thinks Instapuke is joking is because the intellectual coward told him so is beyond me. I don’t come into contact often with people who have never had an original thought, so thanks for making my evening Suleimanajic.

Anonymous said...

Holy crap Dave, what's going on? Slow day on FOX? Dick too red and raw to masturbate anymore? 5 comments in a row has got to be some sort of wingnut troll record. And rarely anything intelligent to say in any of them! Congratulations on this wonderful honor. I hope your dick heals up soon.

munchkinpup said...

It simply does NOT matter a rat's behind that Gannon/Guckert is gay, except to the right wing pundits. I have yet to meet a progressive who was NOT actively sympathetic towards gay rights. What does matter is that he was/is a male prostitute posing as a "journalist". Why did Gannon/Guckert resign from his journalistic profession so quickly?, or has he? Perhaps it was just one long publicity stunt for his hardcore websites, although a rather strange way to drum up business.
Gee, I just do not get the sense of humor of those instapundit,or what was that,"instapuke?!" people. Should I be laughing that the country I live in is about to be annihilated in practically every capacity imaginable? Who cares if the environment is trashed, it will recover. Who cares if social security will finally be destroyed by the Republicans as they have greedily planned for many years. Who cares if every civil right fought for and won by men and women with REAL courage is about to be flushed out to sewage? By the time the Republicans railroad every conceivable method to destroy all of these things AND more, it will not matter what the terrible terrorists do. The Republicans will already have done most of their work for them. I guess I just do not have much of a sense of humor these days. Where are all those compassionate and caring conservatives? It looks more like a piranha feeding frenzy at the big pond. By the way, where I live, 68% voted for Kerry/Edwards and 57% are college graduates, including myself. I sincerely hope all of you who voted for Bush have plenty of money in your bank accounts, you are going to need it.

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gubermintcheez said...

I love this blog because it doesnt repeat the same drivel like instapundit or free republik. You can set your clock by their talking points. Repubs are smarter, Repubs are stronger . Repubs are taller, etc. Its like debating a retard.

Anonymous said...

If only we had a real war president, like Fidel Castro. We wouldn't have to bother with these idiots. They could be imprisoned and re-educated. What's that you say? Public education is too expensive. OK, just shoot them. Aim high for the tall guy. Lead is cheap but why waste it on such an idiot.

Anne said...

Wow, this is great stuff! Within minutes, we have TallDave's Right-Wing Talking Points:

If all else fails, blame:

1. Clinton!
2. The liberal media!
3. You guys did it too!

I'm just waiting for him to return with the French connection and complete the puzzle.

Here's the thing, TallDave (and others): Gannon had no experience whatsoever and no journalism degree, yet he waltzed into the White House on day five or six of his so-called "career." The highest goal most real reporters with years of experience AND a degree can ever hope to attain, and he does it all in a two-day seminar and no experience.

Outside a Capra movie, when has that ever happened before? Never. Explain how this anomaly took place. It's surely not Gannon's writing; his continued efforts in the blogosphere attest to the fact that man can't write at all, let alone well.

munchkinpup said...

Dear Gerard,
Let me know when you have trouble breathing because there is no clean air to breathe, and let me know when you do not have a job, (that is IF you even have one), because it has been outsourced, and let me know where you are going to hide when the "terrorists" visit a neighborhood near you, and let me know what you are going to do when ALL of your civil rights and liberties have been taken away. And while you're at it, why don't you try growing up a little bit. Ever heard of a DISCUSSION????!!! I don't see you making ONE SINGLE INTELLIGENT comment about anything. All you have proven is what a complete imbecile you are.

Anonymous said...

Since when does anyone need a license to practice journalism? A de facto one called a "degree"? This bit is a non-issue. The inalienable right of freedom of the press (that is written into the constitution as one of the lines government is not supposed to be allowed to cross) coupled with A.J. Liebling's famous quote “Freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one." That is: yes, anyone and everyone can be the press, so long as you have the means of creating (and/or distributing) it. Rather than complaining about one person not having a license to do journalism we should be complaining about why ordinary citizens do not have control of content and/or access and/or media ownership.

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